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Author Topic: Hardware in low, clear, and cold water  (Read 289 times)
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« Topic Start: December 18, 2005, 04:48:08 PM »

Though it looks like we will finally get some rain and warmer temperatures by mid-week, there is still at least a day, maybe two, of ultra-low, clear, and cold water steelheading to be done. And, no doubt, we'll face these conditions again before too long anyway.  Roll Eyes

I thought an interesting question might be: what hardware do you like to throw when the water gets like this?

For jigs, drift gear, and bait, the rule seems to be "go smaller" (I definitely use lighter jig heads, though still fairly thick plumage). For spinners, though, I've always heard just the opposite. This probably goes back to Davis' book, where, if I'm remembering correctly, he specifically addresses low, clear, and cold water, saying that big and bright is still the way to go, noting that sunlight only sweetens the deal from his perspective.

I know there was a fair bit of discussion on the Davis book awhile back, and I think I've concluded that he overgeneralizes some topics. I'm just not sure if this is one of them. I've been sticking to #4 silver spinners for the most part this winter (kind of going by Davis), and I've definitely been hooking up, but, like always, I've found myself wondering if I'm fishing as effectively as I could be.

Some guys might even use a #5 silver under these conditions, but there really just isn't enough water in my stream to allow for that without hanging up frequently. Conversely, one of the best spinner fishermen I know will drop down to a #3 brass without hesitation, even a #3 tarnished brass in sunlight, and he's hooked a lot of fish doing it.

Of course, then,as with most methods in a certain condition, a number of variants will work. But, in your experience, which one works best? I don't have enough experience with spoons to address that one, but you guys that do, feel free, and relate it to spinners if you're so inclined.

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« Reply #1: December 18, 2005, 07:01:27 PM »

The one thing Davis doesn't over generalize on is water temp.  I hear you talking about light conditions, water level, and clarity but don't forget about temp.  Now I'm sure the water is running cold but there is a big difference between water that is 42 degrees and 33 degrees and unless you actually take a reading you're not going to be able to refute Davis' claims.  I have a lot of opinions on this matter but this is just a little food for thought.  Grin  One thing I will say also... in my opinion, whether your fishing for nates or brats makes a big difference in this discussion.  In general, I think you can do just as well on small defined holding water with a #3.  I do like to tone things down more for brats than nates.  But some of the debate must also come back to... "are you searching?" or are you hitting small defined spots and covering them in the best manner possible.  I hooked 4 nates in 4 casts last winter in late march with water above 40 degrees(small, low and clear stream) with silver winter standard spinners in size #4.5.  Also, fishing stale brats  that have been beaten on also may lend itself to the drabber spinners working.  Lots of variables!   On a sunny day with clear water my favorite winter spoon is brass, but I also have slightly different beliefs when it comes to spoons vs. spinners. 

As far as spinners being to big for the water, that is a valid reason to go down to a #3, but I think you can do a lot with a #4 if you tweak your angle of attack.  The one reason I like spoons in the winter is that I think they are more versatile as far as what water you can fish.  The river doesn't dictate what a spoon does as much as a spinner.  In the summer with tiny spinners, once again you can "make" your spinner fish as you like.

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« Reply #2: December 18, 2005, 08:14:16 PM »

 You all know I would like to drone on for hours on this one but I got's to go to work !

  The other thing that J.D. never addressed in his works was that alot of the generalizations were based upon a limited few certain watersheds and strains with only slight diversity ? (#4 ... yeah !)

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