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« Reply #30: January 14, 2012, 10:17:56 PM »

I like Fire Fishes blank comments its been thirty eight years now my how things have changed!

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« Reply #31: January 14, 2012, 10:37:12 PM »

This is what I attempted to post earlier and ended up with simply blank pages.
In response to earlier post from others.

Not stopped Dan, I've been out of town and just checked back to see what's happening. As for the hand shake comment, I'll disregard  Huh
I get my info BTW, much more to come in the next few weeks, from both the State Bio's and the Tribe Bio's. My point was simply that the State has NO MONEY and completely pulled out of any steelhead production in the system. My second point was simply that the Tribes are at least continuing a Brood Stock program that they and the State started. This spring the plan, "with State Bio's" is to harvest some fish from additional small tribs to assist with the program. Not a huge expenditure that I guess the state can afford.
Just for the record, the hatchery produced Chinook are 99.9% clipped. They have to be and they release up to 2 million per season on a good year. The old practice of not clipping, no longer happens.
Yes it sucks that they release all those Nooks and the Chum, also up to 2 million a year, in the lower river. It does nothing but support their commercial fishery.
The Puyallup Tribe claims that they do not net past Dec 31st every year. That is the end of their Chum net Fishery, and as far as I know, they police this very well. If you guys see nets in the lower system after the New Year, they would like you to report it. They are trying to protect what is left of the Jan through April native run.
The Puyallup system is a victim of the whole Puget Sound problem. It is the entire system, not just the Puyallup. Back in the day, and the numbers don't lie, the Sportsman took an equal amount of native fish out of our systems year in year out. The State does a terrible job at managing our fisheries PERIOD. The Tribes pretty much set their seasons and harvest as they please. This pertains to Salmon and Steelhead.
The Steelhead issue with Puget Sound Rivers is a serious one and folks need to get educated on what brought it to this. As mentioned above in this thread it was a combination of several issues over the years, that were unfortunately figured out far too late.
As stated "a glimmer of hope"... If right now there is any program to continue to assist in the production of those native fish and works towards strengthening those runs in all three strains within this system, I say support the cause. 
Don’t get me wrong; I sit on a couple of committees and get very, very frustrated at the whole process. The latest efforts and time is spent with the small group trying to save the Humtulips Hatchery system. Plenty of guys on this fishing site fish those systems as well. I never saw a single one make the drive down, just to attend the original public meetings. It is very time consuming to be involved in any of this when it pertains to recovery. Most guys just want to fish, have their shot at their fish and sit back and biatch about all that is going on.
The Puget Sound issue will take years to bounce back. To help prevent some of our other fisheries following suit, I challenge everyone to take some of their personal time this year and get involved with something that will make a difference. I’ll have more info coming out soon on the Hump issue and we will be seeking volunteers to assist with marking fish this spring. Do yourself a favor, volunteer one or two days, so at least you can say you made the effort, in some regard, as opposed to just sitting around and bitching about it.
 


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« Reply #32: January 14, 2012, 10:57:12 PM »

Here is the link duane referred to about making fish. http://www.coastalanglersassociation.com/ I've submitted an email to get dates to help. Hope you're.enjoying the snow Duane,.totally screwed my plans.

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« Reply #33: January 15, 2012, 07:25:57 AM »

I have been trying to post comments and for some reason, the thread would not let me. Then I was unable to delete the blank post, not sure why.

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Fixed them for you Duane....... Grin
Very well written, and some very good points. great With some of our work schedules and obligations and responsibilities, it can be rather difficult to attend meeting 2 hours from home, but if there are some fishery meetings within an hour I would be game, schedule permitting. I can see how Guides and Part time guides could make the time to attend but for some of us it can be a bit more difficult and expensive just to sit and listen to more. of the same old thing. Since the tribes have the Dollars and the state does not,It appears like we either join them or there will be few hatchery fish to harvest.And since they set there seasons,bitching is not going to do any good.......



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« Reply #34: January 15, 2012, 09:36:43 AM »

Well said Duane.

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« Reply #35: January 15, 2012, 01:05:06 PM »

well Duane give me a ride and i will attend i never have had a problem doing that. my problem is this i am flat broke and paying the bill for that fuel in not justifiable when i have a kid we all have are issues but if more people talk and set up group plans i think we will have more voices at each meeting. like i said give me a lift and i will go.

 

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« Reply #36: January 15, 2012, 02:51:48 PM »

Thanks guys and trust me I get it. The travel and expense sucks ASS, no matter what. I am fortuneate that my Firefighter career affords me the time to make a good majority of meetings and be involved with certain groups, who in my opinion, are trying to do the right thing. I know not everyone can be involved but in some cases take time to do some reading on what is going on globally and not just with your home stream. There are a lot of things, as I mentioned before, that will take a long time to repair, and others that we can be involved with now to accomplish change. If you can't be involved, just merely spread the word and support the guys who can be. After all, we all want the same thing, more fish back in our rivers, and more opportunity to harvest or catch and release. I like to think I represent the Sports Fisher, evertime I make the drive, sit in a meeting, talk about issues on the Air etc. If I am going down the wrong road, please feel free to correct me anytime.

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« Reply #37: January 30, 2012, 03:01:19 PM »

Got bored. Numbers based on redd counts

Carbon river escapement goal of 700. High of 2254 in 86 and 398 in 2010.
 

White river escapement goal of 950.  High of 1390 in 88, 629 in 2010
 

Green river escapement goal of 2000. High of 2778 in 86 and 423 in 2010
 
 
Nisqually river escapement goal of 2000.  High of 3817 in 89 and 515 in 2008

 

Pretty sad when you see it like this. Makes the closure a little more understandable but sucks all the same



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« Reply #38: January 30, 2012, 09:15:47 PM »

1986 was a great year!  Grin

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